{"id":3767,"date":"2013-04-27T13:29:12","date_gmt":"2013-04-27T13:29:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/?p=3767"},"modified":"2013-04-27T16:51:09","modified_gmt":"2013-04-27T16:51:09","slug":"concentric-three-m5-construction-update-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/?p=3767","title":{"rendered":"Concentric Three \u2013 M5 Construction Update 1!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve now finished the cross-over simulation and I\u2019m moving on to the next stage of building the first cross-over prototype and starting the listening tests.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The cross-over:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Cross-overx.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-3769 alignnone\" title=\"CTM5- Cross-overx\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Cross-overx.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"365\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Cross-overx.jpg 1218w, https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Cross-overx-300x152.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Cross-overx-1024x519.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>(click on picture to zoom)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The cross-over is very simple and uses a <strong>LR4<\/strong> filter topology (acoustical) between the tweeter and mid and a <strong>LR2<\/strong> topology (acoustical) between the mid and woofer. The cross-over consist of only 12 parts and all sections are second-order electrically, besides the tweeter section which is third-order electrically in order to achieve an acoustical <strong>LR4<\/strong> frequency roll-off.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Note!<\/strong> The woofer\u2019s are connected with reverse polarity.<\/p>\n<p>The tweeter level can be adjusted by changing the value of the single resistor <strong>R1<\/strong>. <strong>R2<\/strong> and <strong>R3<\/strong> can be replaced with one resistor if it can handle &gt;20W.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t reveal the actual component values until I\u2019ve evaluated the cross-over prototype. The cross-over schematic is only used here to inform how the cross-over looks like. Depending on the listening tests and further measurements it can be changed little or completely.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Frequency response simulation:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As in most of my designs the cross-over is optimized from the 15deg off-axis measurements and thus, the loudspeaker is intended to be used with none or little toe-in when setup.<\/p>\n<p>Using the 15deg off-axis measurement generally means that you have a less pronounced baffle diffraction influence in the frequency response when optimizing the cross-over. Generally I\u2019m optimizing the speaker cross-over to have equally good phase behavior between 15-30deg off-axis frequency response, rather than having a good phase response at the on-axis measurement and a deteriorating phase behavior as you go off-axis.<\/p>\n<p>When optimizing around the 15deg off-axis measurements, the on-axis frequency response tends to be a little \u201chot\u201d in the mid and upper treble. By using the appropriate amount of toe-in, I think this slightly added frequency response gives a more presence and airiness to the sound and are usually beneficial and desired.<\/p>\n<p>However, each design and the drivers used in it are unique and sometimes it might not work out properly. The cross-over simulations and measurements alone doesn\u2019t tell if it\u2019s good or not and I consider this and the tweeter level adjustments to be the voicing and fine tuning part of the loudspeaker design.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-3777 alignnone\" title=\"CTM5- Freq 15deg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-RP.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-3778\" title=\"CTM5- Freq 15deg RP\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-RP.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-RP.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-RP-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>(click on picture to zoom)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Left:<\/strong> 15deg off-xis frequency response (no smoothing applied).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Right:<\/strong> 15deg off-xis frequency response with mid-range reverse polarity.<\/p>\n<p>The mid-range driver has a built in \u201cBBC\u201d response dip between 2-3.5kHz. The tweeter has a very extended and smooth frequency response, especially considering that this is a co-axial driver unit. The loudspeaker has a system sensitivity of about 88dB @ 2.83v\/1m.<\/p>\n<p>When reversing the mid-range polarity we can see very deep notches around 590Hz and 2.8kHz at the cross-over frequencies. The deep notches indicate a very good phase response tracking and summation between the driver units around the cross-over frequency.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-0-60deg.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-3782\" title=\"CTM5- Freq 0-60deg\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-0-60deg.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"276\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-0-60deg-average.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-3783\" title=\"CTM5- Freq 0-60deg average\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-0-60deg-average.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-0-60deg-average.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-0-60deg-average-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>(click on picture to zoom)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Left:<\/strong> Frequency response 0-60deg (no smoothing applied).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Right:<\/strong> The frequency response curve is an average of four measurements (<strong>blue<\/strong>): on-axis, 15, 22.5 &amp; 30deg and six measurements (<strong>red<\/strong>): on-axis, 15, 22.5, 30, 45 &amp; 60deg.<\/p>\n<p>The loudspeaker has a smooth power response with a slightly downwards tilting response at higher frequencies. The tweeter has an extended frequency response with very wide off-axis dispersion.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-Tweeter-Level.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-3786\" title=\"CTM5- Freq 15deg - Tweeter Level\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-Tweeter-Level.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-Tweeter-Level.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Freq-15deg-Tweeter-Level-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Impedance.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-3787\" title=\"CTM5- Impedance\" src=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/CTM5-Impedance.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"276\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>(click on picture to zoom)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Left:<\/strong> Four different tweeter levels.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Right:<\/strong> System impedance simulation<\/p>\n<p>The resistor <strong>R1<\/strong> can be changed to fine tune the tweeter level. The level 2 is the &#8220;reference&#8221; level used in the above frequency and cross-over simulations. The minimum impedance occurs @ 120Hz and is slightly below 3 Ohms. The system sensitivity of 88dB @ 2.83v\/1m is mainly achieved by the low impedance driver units used in the loudspeaker. A 4 Ohm stable amplifier is recommended.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Summation:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As I said before, I don&#8217;t intend to make a clone of any of KEF&#8217;s loudspeakers and I don\u2019t have a clue how the cross-over for KEF&#8217;s loudspeakers looks like, even though my chosen cross-over frequencies seems rather similar to those used in the R500 loudspeaker. It just happens to be very suitable frequencies to cross-over at. I would say that a suitable cross-over window is about +\/- 100Hz from that I have chosen, at least the drivers seems to be engineered in that way.<\/p>\n<p>With that said, the KEF driver is really great and I\u2019m eagerly waiting for the cross-over components I\u2019ve ordered for the first prototype and I can\u2019t wait to have a listen to the <strong><span style=\"color: #666699;\">Concentric Three \u2013 M5<\/span><\/strong> loudspeaker! \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>For further details of the driver unit measurements see:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/?page_id=3614\">&#8220;KEF SP1632&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/?page_id=3567\">&#8220;SB Acoustics SB15NRXC30-8&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The KEF R500 loudspeaker using the same mid\/tweeter and similar sized woofer&#8217;s:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.kef.com\/html\/en\/showroom\/hi-fi_series\/r_series\/fact_sheet\/Floorstanding\/r500\/index.html\">&#8220;KEF R500&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Independent KEF R500 loudspeaker measurements:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.soundstage.com\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=793:nrc-measurements-kef-r500&amp;catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements\">&#8220;KEF R500 Measurements!&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; I\u2019ve now finished the cross-over simulation and I\u2019m moving on to the next stage of building the first cross-over prototype and starting the listening tests. The cross-over: (click on picture to zoom) &nbsp; The cross-over is very simple and uses a LR4 filter topology (acoustical) between the tweeter and mid and a LR2 topology [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3767","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blog"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3767","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3767"}],"version-history":[{"count":32,"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3767\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3772,"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3767\/revisions\/3772"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3767"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3767"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.audioexcite.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3767"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}